Pope Francis in Interview says "Gender ideology, at this time, is one of the most dangerous ideological colonizations." with La Nacion with Elisabetta Piqué - FULL Video
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Pope Francis recently granted an interview with LA NACION (Argentina), in which he said that what made him happiest, in these ten years as pontiff, was "giving place to everyone in the Church." When asked if he was writing a new encyclical, the Pope said no and also denied that he had been asked to write a document on the subject of gender. In this regard, he considered an anthropology of gender "extremely dangerous" "because it annuls differences and that annuls humanity", which he distinguished from a pastoral care with people of diverse sexual orientation.
On the other hand, he said he was unaware of the scandal that broke out this week in Poland, where a documentary and a book accused Saint John Paul II of having covered up a pedophile priest, while he was Archbishop of Krakow. Below are key excerpts from the interview with the Full Video below:
Are you working on a new encyclical or important document?
-No.
-Is it true that he had been asked to write a document on the subject of gender?
-No, no one asked me for a document. Yes clarifications. I always distinguish between what pastoral care is for people who have a different sexual orientation and what gender ideology is. They are two different things. Gender ideology, at this time, is one of the most dangerous ideological colonizations. It goes beyond the sexual. Why is it dangerous? Because it dilutes differences, and the richness of men and women and of all humanity is the tension of differences. It is growing through the tension of differences. The question of gender is diluting the differences and creating an equal world, all blunt, all the same. And that goes against the human vocation.
-Do you know that in Argentina, the last time I was there, you have to fill out a form that says male, female or non-binary sex?
-The futuristic experience that I had many years ago about this was when I read a novel that I always recommend, The Lord of the World, by [Monsignor Robert Hugh] Benson, written in 1907. It seems very modern, huh. A little heavy in the middle, some chapters, but it's very pretty. It raises a future in which the differences are disappearing and everything is the same, everything is uniform, a single boss of the whole world. A futuristic prophet. And there I was finding the true tendency to shorten the differences. The rich thing that humanity has are its differences, cultural...
-But in the end it was not clear to me, did they ask you to write something about the gender issue?
-No no no. I talk about it. I speak because there are somewhat naive people who believe that it is the path of progress and do not distinguish what is respect for sexual diversity or various sexual options from what is already an anthropology of gender, which is extremely dangerous because it annuls differences, and that it annuls humanity, the richness of humanity, personal type, cultural and social, the differences and the tensions between the differences.
-In fact, you always talk about the polyhedron.
-As it is.
-In some interviews you admitted to having made mistakes in these ten years. Could you identify one or two?
-I would say what is the leitmotif that is under any error. A little impatience, isn't it? Sometimes the tuco goes to my head. Then one loses patience, and when peace is lost, then one slips and makes mistakes. You have to know how to wait, the processes you have to know how to wait for them...
-And when did you lose patience?
-More than once. It did not appear in the newspapers, but more than once. You want to strangle (laughs)... but don't worry, we walk slowly and these processes will slowly take place.
-Is there anything you did in these ten years as pope that has made you especially happy?
-Everything that was the pastoral line of forgiveness and understanding of the people. Give place in the Church to all.
-What is your dream today? Do you have any dreams?
-I am very realistic, I like to touch things, the realities [Laughter]... The desire to swim forward, open doors. Opening doors, that works for me a lot. Open doors and walk paths.
-How do you imagine the Catholic Church in 20 years?
-If this question had been asked to anyone who worked with Saint Paul VI, they would have been wrong in the answer. I'm going to be wrong. No, [I imagine it] more pastoral, fairer, more open. I can't say anything else, I don't know why. It is curious, history changes the faces of situations and puts it to you in a different way, and evangelization goes in a different way. My thing is the always open horizon and living today too. There is an imagination that one can say is the guiding line, which is what the conciliar documents, the documents of the episcopates, show us, that we must follow this path. Now, and the concretion of that, it is difficult.
-Ten years have passed, do you think the election was yesterday? Did they go fast? Slowly? How does it feel?
-They passed quickly, like all life. I think my things. Today I was talking about my high school, it seems like yesterday. Curious how yesterday gets shorter and it seems like it was yesterday. And these went by fast
-I know you don't like balance sheets, but looking back, do you feel you have met your goals? As you have said many times that many of the mandates of the pre-conclave meetings were for the new Pope to clean up the Vatican's finances, to bring order to the curia after some scandals... did you meet those objectives?
- I started them. For example, in the economic part I want to pay tribute to the man who helped me, Cardinal Pell, a great man. Unfortunately he had that problem that he was innocent of afterwards. But he had to suffer a year and two months in prison being innocent and he could not continue. But it was Cardinal Pell who started the economic reform and I am very grateful to him.
-And the reform of the curia?
- The dicasteries were reordered and the same college of cardinals is now freer.
-In your programmatic document, Evangelii Gaudium, you spoke of the conversion of the papacy… Do you feel that you made this conversion? You do not embody the king pope, he is a pope without frills, he is a closer, more open and humble pope. Or, what other change would you make of the papacy?
-I would say that the conversion of the papacy did not begin with me. If one wanted to mark sectors in this last stage, it began with Paul VI, who was the first to travel, for example. He is a conversion from the Ministry of Peter, a man who received the inheritance of all the previous ones and received the end of the Council and set it in motion. A great, a saint. If we talk about the most modern papacy today with new ways of being, Saint Paul VI is the first. And there he began, with his nuances, to one side and to the other, he went forward. Saint John Paul II, the great evangelizer; John Paul I, the little we were able to enjoy, the close pastor who wanted to put an end to certain things that were not going well and Benedict has a broad teaching of him, a brave man. He was the first pope to officially address the issue of abuse. A great theologian but he was going down the line. I miss Benedicto because he was a company.
-You were just talking about John Paul II and the abuses... I don't know if you know that just this week a tremendous scandal broke out in Poland because they showed a documentary where a document appears, a letter that he wrote to Cardinal Wojtyła when he was a cardinal of Krakow from Vienna, König, if he could receive a priest, who was finally an abuser and there is a whole scandal in Poland about this. A book also came out… My question is, was he canonized too quickly?
-You have to relocate things in his time. Anachronism always does evil. At that time everything was covered. Until the Boston scandal, everything was covered up. When the Boston thing happened, the Church began to look at that problem. The Church was always very faithful from that moment to clarifying things. The solution was to change it to the local priest, or at most, reduce it if there was no solution, but without scandal. Which unfortunately is still being done today when this happens in families and in the neighborhood. To think that 42%, more or less, are international figures, it occurs in the family and in the neighborhood. Then comes school. And there it is still covered today so as not to generate conflict, it is a way of proceeding. The Church did that too, cover up, relocate... sometimes there was no other choice and it was removed and that was definitively done, but it meant sending it elsewhere. In other words, an era, it must be read with the hermeneutics of the era.
-In fact, there are those who say that in this letter that Wojtyla wrote to König in which he told him that the priest was going to study psychology, there was a coded way of saying that he was an abuser... because he came out of the files.
-I don't know the case, but it was usual. To cover it up or directly when it was seen that it had no remedy was to send it out. Cover. As today it is still done in families unfortunately. When it is the uncle, the grandfather, the neighbor, they are serious problems in the family. Thank God that Benedict was the first to uncover the matter of the Legionnaires. He was brave. Today the Church took this. After the Boston scandal, but then the Church began to take this new attitude... Taking the bull by the horns.
On the other hand, he said he was unaware of the scandal that broke out this week in Poland, where a documentary and a book accused Saint John Paul II of having covered up a pedophile priest, while he was Archbishop of Krakow. Below are key excerpts from the interview with the Full Video below:
Are you working on a new encyclical or important document?
-No.
-Is it true that he had been asked to write a document on the subject of gender?
-No, no one asked me for a document. Yes clarifications. I always distinguish between what pastoral care is for people who have a different sexual orientation and what gender ideology is. They are two different things. Gender ideology, at this time, is one of the most dangerous ideological colonizations. It goes beyond the sexual. Why is it dangerous? Because it dilutes differences, and the richness of men and women and of all humanity is the tension of differences. It is growing through the tension of differences. The question of gender is diluting the differences and creating an equal world, all blunt, all the same. And that goes against the human vocation.
-Do you know that in Argentina, the last time I was there, you have to fill out a form that says male, female or non-binary sex?
-The futuristic experience that I had many years ago about this was when I read a novel that I always recommend, The Lord of the World, by [Monsignor Robert Hugh] Benson, written in 1907. It seems very modern, huh. A little heavy in the middle, some chapters, but it's very pretty. It raises a future in which the differences are disappearing and everything is the same, everything is uniform, a single boss of the whole world. A futuristic prophet. And there I was finding the true tendency to shorten the differences. The rich thing that humanity has are its differences, cultural...
-But in the end it was not clear to me, did they ask you to write something about the gender issue?
-No no no. I talk about it. I speak because there are somewhat naive people who believe that it is the path of progress and do not distinguish what is respect for sexual diversity or various sexual options from what is already an anthropology of gender, which is extremely dangerous because it annuls differences, and that it annuls humanity, the richness of humanity, personal type, cultural and social, the differences and the tensions between the differences.
-In fact, you always talk about the polyhedron.
-As it is.
-In some interviews you admitted to having made mistakes in these ten years. Could you identify one or two?
-I would say what is the leitmotif that is under any error. A little impatience, isn't it? Sometimes the tuco goes to my head. Then one loses patience, and when peace is lost, then one slips and makes mistakes. You have to know how to wait, the processes you have to know how to wait for them...
-And when did you lose patience?
-More than once. It did not appear in the newspapers, but more than once. You want to strangle (laughs)... but don't worry, we walk slowly and these processes will slowly take place.
-Is there anything you did in these ten years as pope that has made you especially happy?
-Everything that was the pastoral line of forgiveness and understanding of the people. Give place in the Church to all.
-What is your dream today? Do you have any dreams?
-I am very realistic, I like to touch things, the realities [Laughter]... The desire to swim forward, open doors. Opening doors, that works for me a lot. Open doors and walk paths.
-How do you imagine the Catholic Church in 20 years?
-If this question had been asked to anyone who worked with Saint Paul VI, they would have been wrong in the answer. I'm going to be wrong. No, [I imagine it] more pastoral, fairer, more open. I can't say anything else, I don't know why. It is curious, history changes the faces of situations and puts it to you in a different way, and evangelization goes in a different way. My thing is the always open horizon and living today too. There is an imagination that one can say is the guiding line, which is what the conciliar documents, the documents of the episcopates, show us, that we must follow this path. Now, and the concretion of that, it is difficult.
-Ten years have passed, do you think the election was yesterday? Did they go fast? Slowly? How does it feel?
-They passed quickly, like all life. I think my things. Today I was talking about my high school, it seems like yesterday. Curious how yesterday gets shorter and it seems like it was yesterday. And these went by fast
-I know you don't like balance sheets, but looking back, do you feel you have met your goals? As you have said many times that many of the mandates of the pre-conclave meetings were for the new Pope to clean up the Vatican's finances, to bring order to the curia after some scandals... did you meet those objectives?
- I started them. For example, in the economic part I want to pay tribute to the man who helped me, Cardinal Pell, a great man. Unfortunately he had that problem that he was innocent of afterwards. But he had to suffer a year and two months in prison being innocent and he could not continue. But it was Cardinal Pell who started the economic reform and I am very grateful to him.
-And the reform of the curia?
- The dicasteries were reordered and the same college of cardinals is now freer.
-In your programmatic document, Evangelii Gaudium, you spoke of the conversion of the papacy… Do you feel that you made this conversion? You do not embody the king pope, he is a pope without frills, he is a closer, more open and humble pope. Or, what other change would you make of the papacy?
-I would say that the conversion of the papacy did not begin with me. If one wanted to mark sectors in this last stage, it began with Paul VI, who was the first to travel, for example. He is a conversion from the Ministry of Peter, a man who received the inheritance of all the previous ones and received the end of the Council and set it in motion. A great, a saint. If we talk about the most modern papacy today with new ways of being, Saint Paul VI is the first. And there he began, with his nuances, to one side and to the other, he went forward. Saint John Paul II, the great evangelizer; John Paul I, the little we were able to enjoy, the close pastor who wanted to put an end to certain things that were not going well and Benedict has a broad teaching of him, a brave man. He was the first pope to officially address the issue of abuse. A great theologian but he was going down the line. I miss Benedicto because he was a company.
-You were just talking about John Paul II and the abuses... I don't know if you know that just this week a tremendous scandal broke out in Poland because they showed a documentary where a document appears, a letter that he wrote to Cardinal Wojtyła when he was a cardinal of Krakow from Vienna, König, if he could receive a priest, who was finally an abuser and there is a whole scandal in Poland about this. A book also came out… My question is, was he canonized too quickly?
-You have to relocate things in his time. Anachronism always does evil. At that time everything was covered. Until the Boston scandal, everything was covered up. When the Boston thing happened, the Church began to look at that problem. The Church was always very faithful from that moment to clarifying things. The solution was to change it to the local priest, or at most, reduce it if there was no solution, but without scandal. Which unfortunately is still being done today when this happens in families and in the neighborhood. To think that 42%, more or less, are international figures, it occurs in the family and in the neighborhood. Then comes school. And there it is still covered today so as not to generate conflict, it is a way of proceeding. The Church did that too, cover up, relocate... sometimes there was no other choice and it was removed and that was definitively done, but it meant sending it elsewhere. In other words, an era, it must be read with the hermeneutics of the era.
-In fact, there are those who say that in this letter that Wojtyla wrote to König in which he told him that the priest was going to study psychology, there was a coded way of saying that he was an abuser... because he came out of the files.
-I don't know the case, but it was usual. To cover it up or directly when it was seen that it had no remedy was to send it out. Cover. As today it is still done in families unfortunately. When it is the uncle, the grandfather, the neighbor, they are serious problems in the family. Thank God that Benedict was the first to uncover the matter of the Legionnaires. He was brave. Today the Church took this. After the Boston scandal, but then the Church began to take this new attitude... Taking the bull by the horns.
See the full interview text in Spanish:
https://www.lanacion.com.ar/el-mundo/entrevista-de-la-nacion-con-el-papa-francisco-la-ideologia-del-genero-es-de-las-colonizaciones-nid10032023/
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