Vatican News wrote that Pope Francis said, 'I am ready to meet Putin in Moscow'
Pope Francis granted an interview to Luciano Fontana, editor of the Italian daily newspaper Corriere della Sera, that concentrated on the war in Ukraine. The Pope explained, “I feel that before going to Kyiv I must go to Moscow.”
Luciano Fontana and the deputy director Fiorenza Sarzanini of the Corriere della Sera, were received at the Casa Santa Marta for an interview that the newspaper published on Tuesday.
Pope Francis has made telephone calls to President Zelensky, visited the Russian embassy to the Holy See, and above all shown a willingness to go to Moscow to meet President Putin.
Pope Francis spoke of "an anger facilitated" perhaps, by "NATO's barking at Russia's door" that has led the Kremlin to "react badly and unleash the conflict".
“I don't know how to answer - I'm too far away - the question of whether it is right to supply the Ukrainians," he reasoned. "The clear thing is that weapons are being tested there. The Russians now know that tanks are of little use and are thinking of other things. This is why wars are waged: to test the weapons we have produced. Few people are fighting this trade, but more should be done."
The Pope also cited the halting in Genoa of a convoy carrying arms to Yemen, which the port authorities chose "two or three years ago" to stop.
No trip to Kyiv is planned at the moment, but first, the Pope would prefer to visit Moscow.
Reviewing the efforts made or to be made to stop the escalation of violence, the Pope clarified: "I am not going to Kyiv for now; I feel that I must not go. First I must go to Moscow. First I must meet Putin. But I am also a priest, what can I do? I do what I can. If Putin would only open the door...".
Again the Pope looked to Moscow for the possibility of working together with Patriarch Kirill of the Russian Orthodox Church.
He cited the 40-minute conversation via Zoom on 15 March last and the "justifications" for the war cited by Kirill, and returned to the missed appointment in June in Jerusalem.
“I listened," said Pope Francis in the interview with Corriere della Sera, "and I told him: I completely fail to understand this. Brother, we are not state clerics; we cannot use the language of politics, but that of Jesus. We are pastors of the same holy people of God. That is why we must seek ways of peace, stop the fire of arms. The Patriarch cannot become Putin's altar boy. I had a meeting scheduled with him in Jerusalem on 14 June. It would have been our second face-to-face meeting, nothing to do with the war. But now even he agrees: 'Let's wait; it could be an ambiguous signal'."
The Pope's gaze widened again to speak of the rights of peoples in a world at war, a "third world war" so often evoked and feared.
He was not raising an "alarm", he clarified, but offering an "ascertainment of things: Syria, Yemen, Iraq, in Africa one war after another. There are international interests in every bit of it. You cannot think that a free state can make war on another free state. In Ukraine, it seems that it was others who created the conflict. The only thing that is blamed on the Ukrainians is that they reacted in the Donbas, but we are talking about ten years ago. That argument is old. Of course, they are a proud people.”
In this regard, the Pope returned to the Good Friday Way of the Cross at the Colosseum and to the requests from the Ukrainian side that led to the reading of the meditation at the thirteenth station, led by a Russian and a Ukrainian woman being scrapped.
Pope Francis explained the conversation he had with Cardinal Krajewski, who for Easter was in Kyiv for the third time sent by the Pope since the beginning of the conflict.
"I called Krajewski who was there and he told me: ‘Stop, don't read the prayer. They are right even if we cannot fully understand.’ So they remained silent. They are susceptible; they feel defeated or enslaved because they paid so much in the Second World War. So many men died; they are a martyred people. But we are also careful about what may happen now in Transnistria.”
However, he said, 9 May could be the end of it all. Referring to his audience with Viktor Orbán, prime minister of Hungary, on 21 April at the Vatican, the Pope said he learned that "the Russians have a plan".
"So, one would also understand the celerity of the escalation of these days. Because now it's not just the Donbas, it's Crimea, it's Odessa, it's taking away the Black Sea port from Ukraine, it's everything. I am pessimistic, but we must make every possible gesture to stop the war.”
Source: https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2022-05/the-pope-i-am-ready-to-meet-putin-in-moscow.html
Luciano Fontana and the deputy director Fiorenza Sarzanini of the Corriere della Sera, were received at the Casa Santa Marta for an interview that the newspaper published on Tuesday.
Pope Francis has made telephone calls to President Zelensky, visited the Russian embassy to the Holy See, and above all shown a willingness to go to Moscow to meet President Putin.
"I asked Cardinal Parolin, after twenty days of war, to send a message to Putin to say that I was willing to go to Moscow.”
Of course, affirmed the Pope, the Russian President must first offer a window for dates. “We have not yet received an answer, and we are still insisting, even if I fear that Putin cannot and does not want to have this meeting at this time. But how can this brutality not be stopped? Twenty-five years ago we experienced the same thing with Rwanda.”
The Pope's comments also reflected on the reasons for war and on the "trade" in arms, which for him remains a "scandal" opposed by few people.Pope Francis spoke of "an anger facilitated" perhaps, by "NATO's barking at Russia's door" that has led the Kremlin to "react badly and unleash the conflict".
“I don't know how to answer - I'm too far away - the question of whether it is right to supply the Ukrainians," he reasoned. "The clear thing is that weapons are being tested there. The Russians now know that tanks are of little use and are thinking of other things. This is why wars are waged: to test the weapons we have produced. Few people are fighting this trade, but more should be done."
The Pope also cited the halting in Genoa of a convoy carrying arms to Yemen, which the port authorities chose "two or three years ago" to stop.
No trip to Kyiv is planned at the moment, but first, the Pope would prefer to visit Moscow.
Reviewing the efforts made or to be made to stop the escalation of violence, the Pope clarified: "I am not going to Kyiv for now; I feel that I must not go. First I must go to Moscow. First I must meet Putin. But I am also a priest, what can I do? I do what I can. If Putin would only open the door...".
Again the Pope looked to Moscow for the possibility of working together with Patriarch Kirill of the Russian Orthodox Church.
He cited the 40-minute conversation via Zoom on 15 March last and the "justifications" for the war cited by Kirill, and returned to the missed appointment in June in Jerusalem.
“I listened," said Pope Francis in the interview with Corriere della Sera, "and I told him: I completely fail to understand this. Brother, we are not state clerics; we cannot use the language of politics, but that of Jesus. We are pastors of the same holy people of God. That is why we must seek ways of peace, stop the fire of arms. The Patriarch cannot become Putin's altar boy. I had a meeting scheduled with him in Jerusalem on 14 June. It would have been our second face-to-face meeting, nothing to do with the war. But now even he agrees: 'Let's wait; it could be an ambiguous signal'."
The Pope's gaze widened again to speak of the rights of peoples in a world at war, a "third world war" so often evoked and feared.
He was not raising an "alarm", he clarified, but offering an "ascertainment of things: Syria, Yemen, Iraq, in Africa one war after another. There are international interests in every bit of it. You cannot think that a free state can make war on another free state. In Ukraine, it seems that it was others who created the conflict. The only thing that is blamed on the Ukrainians is that they reacted in the Donbas, but we are talking about ten years ago. That argument is old. Of course, they are a proud people.”
In this regard, the Pope returned to the Good Friday Way of the Cross at the Colosseum and to the requests from the Ukrainian side that led to the reading of the meditation at the thirteenth station, led by a Russian and a Ukrainian woman being scrapped.
Pope Francis explained the conversation he had with Cardinal Krajewski, who for Easter was in Kyiv for the third time sent by the Pope since the beginning of the conflict.
"I called Krajewski who was there and he told me: ‘Stop, don't read the prayer. They are right even if we cannot fully understand.’ So they remained silent. They are susceptible; they feel defeated or enslaved because they paid so much in the Second World War. So many men died; they are a martyred people. But we are also careful about what may happen now in Transnistria.”
However, he said, 9 May could be the end of it all. Referring to his audience with Viktor Orbán, prime minister of Hungary, on 21 April at the Vatican, the Pope said he learned that "the Russians have a plan".
"So, one would also understand the celerity of the escalation of these days. Because now it's not just the Donbas, it's Crimea, it's Odessa, it's taking away the Black Sea port from Ukraine, it's everything. I am pessimistic, but we must make every possible gesture to stop the war.”
Source: https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2022-05/the-pope-i-am-ready-to-meet-putin-in-moscow.html
https://www.corriere.it/cronache/22_maggio_03/intervista-papa-francesco-putin-694c35f0-ca57-11ec-829f-386f144a5eff.shtml
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